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The Slavic Venetic Connection
Published 30 Apr 2020
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The Slavic Venetic connection is different from the "Venetic Theory" which is an inaccurate autochtones theory created by Slovenian nationalists.
The symbol I chose for the Veneti here is a common symbol found on Przeworsk culture type weapons, this culture type was in the same area where the Veneti where described to live so it's very likely the said Veneti used this symbol.
Graia is where the Latin name Greece comes from even though Greeks call themselves Hellas and back than they didn't really even use that as they saw themselves as many independent people's like Ionians, Dorians, etc. The name Greece just came from Romans being very much indifferent to what the Greeks actually said their differences were.
I omitted what Malone classified the Vistula Veneti as (also sorry for the little spelling mistake Indo-European not "Indi"), which is Germanic. I do this because in the end it's the same conclusion this video comes to and it would be too early in the video to talk about why Malone would classify the Veneti as Germanic. Hence to not confuse any people not familiar with the subject I omitted the Malone's Germanic argument at the start.
In Roman chronicles, 'near' and 'at' are two different markers. Near does not mean at the Baltic sea hence why I put the Veneti a bit south of the Baltic beaches.
I say clumsily because Roman writers rarely mention strait up geographical markers and cardinal directions. They usually start off with one Geographical marker and then continue on saying tribes that live next to it and than tribes that live next to those tribes, etc. This way it's sometimes hard to decipher where exactly some of these tribes where in relation to the starting geographical marker.
Sorry I am incapable of reading Sarmatians without adding an extra 'n' to it, "Sermantians"
Cassiodorus' work was in turn based upon an even earlier work by the Gothic historian Ablabius.
Work by Malalas has been lost and only a portion of it survives in a Theophanes rewriting.
I don't have the time nor care enough to talk about the MANY inaccuracies all these theories and others have. If you believe one of them just know that they have no bases in any Historical, Archaeological or Genealogical, research.
Not all Serbians believe this. I should have added that this is just a nationalistic theory, most Serbians are thought normal history in school.
They did this by trying to connect the Veneti to a Proto-Slavic tribe common to all modern Slavs.
Also a lot of other stuff we don't have time to get in to like stone furnaces with a specific size, storage pits with narrowed necks, etc.
Archaeological culture types also often overlap specially on their borders which you will see on the maps in this video.
Although not completely accurately. For example it's unknown how far north did the Marcomanic and Hermunduric control extend, also at the same time it's not completely specified where north of the Danube the Naristi where, they could have been a bit (although not by much) further up stream or down stream than where I have put them. But over all we are able to create a pretty accurate picture.
The blue tribes in today's Slovakia and Northern Romania are the remnants of Celtic tribes that invaded Pannonia during the Celtic invasion of the 4th century BCE. You can find out more in this video -
Those tribes at this point as you can see overlap with Dacian and Sarmatian tribes because they have been very much mixed with those populations. These Celts will eventually disappear during Hunnic invasion.
Chronologically my 5th point comes before the 4th point as attested by the dates in the top right corner and I apologize for the confusion, I noticed this too late to fix it.
Weilbark is the only culture type that seems to be just Germanic.
Russians mainly promoted Kiev or Chernyakhov during the USSR era when all the culture types where all still within one country.
Slavs called yew and willow the same thing which is why in the video I used the current Polish name for willow as an example.
They also called spruce and larch the same thing.
This is why today for example larch in Slovak is "smrek" while in Serbian spruce is "smrk" not larch.
You'll see a lot of current Slavic languages use very similar names for trees but for different types of trees. This is because they usually all come from a single borrowed word that defined all the trees of that (type usually just meant looking similar as back then there weren't scientific differentiations between different species of a similar trees).
These "Slavic" hill forts differ from previous fortification in their communal setup. Prior to the 5th century most forts resembled large Roman influence with distinguished social classes like masons, and farmers, etc. "Slavic" hill forts on the other hand, other than occurring much more frequently on hills than previous forts, have a much more fluid social order with very rarely distinguished hierarchies being found in the archaeological record.
It could also be remnants of Baltic tribe hill-forts just like the ones in Latvia.
The Teutonic order wasn't a tribe, a pour choice of an on screen example, I am sorry.
There are accounts of Slavic warriors being present at the Hunnic court meaning the Slavs managed to establish themselves during the Hunnic era, further supporting the emergence of the Prague type pottery cultures during this time.
Keep in the mind the Slavic Prague type pottery cultures weren't just Slavic. They most likely where majority Slavic but had a sizable heterogeneous minority. With the Prague type pottery cultures in southern Ukraine having Sarmatians and other steppe people influences the groups in Eastern Germany, Western Poland and Czechia having Germanic influences, etc.
The most recent common ancestor of any haplogroup is between 3000 to 5000 years ago. Which
A. is a difference of 2000 years, that is a huge time scale just think of how much happened in just our last 2000 years. Trying to make ethnic migratory prediction off of that is impossible.
B. That would put the most recent genetic changes we can track at the soonest 1000BCE at the collapse of the Bronze age. While the event we're trying to understand is the Migration period happening 1500 years later. So DNA really can't tell us about migratory movement that happened during the early middle ages.
It is debated whether the small axe pedant found in eastern Europe around the 10th to 12th centuries was only of Varangian (Scandinavian) origin or it was also used by Slavs.
The practice of wearing a small weapon as a pedant definitely originated form Scandinavia (see Thor's hammer pedant) and was brought to the Slavs through the Varangian raids in to Eastern Europe. However considering that some axe pedants, also called Perun's axe (Perun was the Slavic deity of lightning a Slavic equivalent to Thor, who was often represented by an axe.) where found in areas where Scandinavians would be hard press to be like in Hungary, it is most likely this practice of wearing small weapon pedants to symbolize gods was adopted by the Slavs from the Scandinavians.
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greetings and thank you sir for your extensive historical work, helps much better than the school i' m afraid
good job!
p. S. In poland we read w as v, so it is " vielbark culture" andculture" 41
cheers from russia.
however, thisname is a foreign word applied by outsiders. It reminds me of how, in america, the namewas applied (by europeans) to all the various tribes of native americans.
incidentally, my dna has me at 4% from baltic states and 90% czech.
your video gives me new insight about my dna from baltic states! Perhaps some of my forefathers were veneti traders!
in slovakia, there is a famous folk hero named juraj janosik.
he was the leader of a band of highway at only 25 years old, he was arrested, tried and executed in a particularly gruesome manner. Hanged by the scapula from a hook )
he became a legend celebrated in folk songs, poetry, and folk art.
in slovakia and parts of poland, heas famous as robin hood.
he is always depicted carrying an axe called a valeska, which looks the same as the perun axe
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i' m glad i watched this. Very informative and nuanced, the type of content that i enjoy the most.
keep up the good work!
i shared this in a quora space with a edit: i beg you, do make a video about the peruns axe because it is something that has been. Me in a way, because i have no idea if this actually has some kind of a historical base or is it just aforgery"